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Sea vs Boat Mindset

Be asocial copycats or crediting idea recyclers?

YAML 问题

Imagine two kindergartens:

(1) In the kindergarten "Sea", kids copy each others: if one kid comes up with something novel and useful, others quickly copy him, and take this to their advantage, without giving any credit to those who originally came up with it.

This social set-up incentivizes kids to keep their novel and useful things to themselves, and form closed groups of trust to keep the secret advantages, and trade carefully.

(2) In the kindergarten "Boat", kids give credit to each others: if one kid comes up with something novel and useful, others praise the kid, and gives him/her credit, in that, if someone else uses their ideas, they are remembered, and if someone succeeds big way as a result of publicly shared innovation of another kid, the rest of the kids force the one who succeeded big way to give reasonable support back to the kid who publicly shared the innovation.

This social set-up incentivizes kids to share their novel and useful things as soon as possible with the public, in the expectation of social validation, and future returns, when someone else succeeds as a result of it.

Transfer a kid from one kind of kindergarten to another, and the kid's behavior will have to change, adapting to the social norm, not because the ethical views of the kid himself or herself, but because of the phenomena similar to prisoner's dilemma with respect to expected returns with respect to the given society's social norms.

So, which kindergarten would you like to be raised in?

In most cases, I would like to be raised in the kindergarten (2). This is because I don't have time to implement all the ideas that I come up with, yet I want to profit (both financially and in terms of social return) from all of my ideas without having to patent, hire an army, or work individually on every one of them to have this return to happen. I want the society be the army, that, as described in (2), praises and protects its contributors, that publicly shared ideas generate financial returns by default.

Status Quo and Prospects

I think, this kind of society will happen sooner or later, because technology allows to track, and prove increasingly many facts about events, their dates, identities and authenticity, and therefore, it is just a matter of time before those facts will be increasingly intelligently recognized, and credit given where it is due, therefore, it is sufficient to start recording those proofs now using various standards (one of the possible ways I described here), writing them to various data storage systems, as those records will get increasingly recognized regardless of particular way in which people have made those records, as long as they are probabilistically credible.

Cultural norms needed

This may happen just because technology allows to tokenize and trade ideas or to have enough evidence to sue someone for patenting a publicly shared idea. In this case, we'll still be living in the wild (1) type world. Technology alone does not fully solve all problems.

To achieve the comfortable and fun (2) world, people have evolve a culture of caring about tracing origins. People don't put down the guns because blockchain exists. They do so, because others show care about them socially and economically.

I think we should try to evolve and facilitate such culture as in the kindergarten "(2)".


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我喜欢使用会计系统来实现效果的想法。使用会计技术来说明原因的影响。我们存在于因果宇宙中。如果有人促成了别人的成功,他们应该得到回报。所以你的老师应该为他们为你带来的东西得到一些东西。

I like the idea of using accounting systems for effects. Use accounting technology to account for effects of causes. We exist in a cause and effect universe. If someone causes someone else's success they should get rewarded for it. So your teachers deserve some thing for what they caused for you.


我喜欢圣经参考系统。我们参考圣经来承认一个事实或证明一个行为或法律是正当的。

每节经文都有编号,每本书都有章节,如果有多本书,我们会在开头加上书号。

所以参考看起来像哥林多前书 13:1-13

大学研究领域有不同的参考方案。

知识产权也是一回事。你在争论我们应该尊重他人的知识产权和由某人造成的所有事情。

I like the biblical referencing system. We refer to scripture to acknowledge a fact or justify a behaviour or law.

Each verse is numbered and there are chapters to each book and where there is more than one book we prefix the book number at the beginning.

So a reference looks like 1 Corinthians 13:1-13

Universities research fields have different referencing schemes.

Intellectual property is also a thing. You're arguing we should respect others intellectual property and all things caused by someone.


[按时间顺序排列],是的,当然,O2oo 受到 Halfbakery 的启发,以及其他各种想法(例如 [[1]](https:// www.halfbakery.com/idea/howtoengineerit_2ecom))。然而,[jutta] 不喜欢“Halfmakery”这个名字与“Halfbakery”太相似。

// 我们都受到他人的影响

确切地说:“我是通过与他人的互动而形成的。他们创造了我,就像我创造了他们一样。” - Rei Ayanami(新世纪福音战士/NGE) 可分叉性 // 你只需要看看软件工程克隆的应用程序和网站,就可以了解人们对此的态度。

所以,问题仍然存在——如何正确信贷,让银行系统在乎谁说什么?是否应该存在一个标签,让人们在网上以机器可读的形式将那些受到启发的人和他们所写的东西联系起来?可追溯的分叉能力和一切的多重继承性,以便想法可以“发生性关系”以更多方式?其他事情?

[chronological], yes, surely, O2oo was inspired by Halfbakery, as well as various other ideas (such as [1]). However, [jutta] didn't like that the name "Halfmakery" is too similar to "Halfbakery".

// We're all influenced by others

Exactly: "I am formed by interaction with others. They create me as I create them." - Rei Ayanami (Neon Genesis Evangelion/NGE) forkability // You only need to look at software engineering cloned apps and websites to see people's attitudes to this.

So, the problem remains -- how to credit properly, so that banking system cares who says what? Should there exist a tag, that lets people on-line associate those who inspired with what they write, in a machine-readable form? Traceable fork-ability and multi-inheritability of everything, so that ideas can "have sex" in more ways? Other things?


您只需要查看软件工程克隆的应用程序和网站即可了解人们对此的态度。你会认为有编程能力的人会相信。但他们会说他们的应用程序是其他东西的克隆。

O2oo 设计似乎基于半面包店。我们都受到他人的影响

You only need to look at software engineering cloned apps and websites to see people's attitudes to this. You would think that people capable of programming would credit. But they will say their app is a clone of something else.

O2oo design seems based on halfbakery. We're all influenced by others



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