How to Distribute HURS?

How do we distribute HOURS in a way that is not HACKABLE yet values the work of an individual?

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I'm very interested in the idea of trading hours. For example, if I work for someone for 1 hour, I should be paid 1HUR by the person I worked for. But what if they don't have any HURS to give? How do the HURS get distributed into this system? Also, what if I do work that doesn't benefit someone who works like a baby? Am I able to get HURS from that?


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因此,对于投资者而言,0oo的价值是发现有趣的项目以及对项目预算的使用方式进行透明会计。

对于Doers来说,0oo的价值在于寻找新想法,直接获得社区反馈,寻找种植者,解决项目难题,在市场上销售产品。

So, for Investors, the value of 0oo is discovery of interesting projects and transparent accounting on how the project budget is spent.

And for Doers, the value of 0oo is finding new ideas, getting community feedback directly, finding cocreators, solving project challenges, selling products on the Market.


是,对的。

没错,“资金”仅用于会计,就像投资者或购买者的得分一样-跟踪提供的资金。

//该资金数量是否减少了?

是的,它下降了,因为转移与有成本的结果相关联。

这是一个小视频:link。如果是外部投资者,他们将要投资美元,欧元或其他东西,例如机器或用品。那全部算作“基金”。一旦他们将资产投入到任何项目中,它们在资金页面中将显示为“提供的资金”。

Yes, correct.

Right, "Funds" are for accounting only, it's like an investor or purchaser score — to keep track of funds provided.

// Does that Funds number ever go down?

Yes, it goes down, as the transfers are linked with results that have costs.

Here is a little video on that: link. In case of external investors, they are going to be investing, say, dollars, euros, or something else, like machines, or supplies. That all counts as "Funds". Once they put their assets into any of the projects, that appears to them as "Funds provided" in the funds page.


这是三件事吗?

1.当投资者对项目进行货币交易并通过单击项目内的“转移”按钮声明已进行转移时,资金会显示在“基金”下(实际交易不会在0oo中发生)

2.然后,项目成员向HURS声明结果,以“使用资金”(即使他们已经获得了实际资金)。

3.然后,该投资者的FUNDS下降以表明项目正在“使用这些资金”。

因此,FUNDS就像公共会计一样,在项目如何花钱上起作用,对吗?

So it is 3 things?

  1. Funds appear under Funds when investor makes a money transaction to a project and declare that they made a transfer by clicking Transfer button within a project (actual Transaction does not happen in 0oo)

  2. Project members then declare Results with HURS, to "use the Funds" (even if they got actual money already).

  3. Then FUNDS for that investor go down to show that projects are "using those funds".

So, FUNDS work like public accounting on how projects are spending money, right?


//如果有人向我汇款100美元(通过单击我的一个项目中的“转移”按钮),是否表示他们获得了我的HUR积分?

是的,它们的“资金”金额增加了那么多(按当前汇率计算为10个蓝色“资金”)。对于转移您资金的用户,它表明他们已经支付了那么多资金,而这些资金仍然可供他们给他们的用户使用。但是,如果您作为资金的接收者突然写出一个结果(+ [result]),比如说50美元的费用,然后选择该结果的费用由上述资金转移来补偿,那么他们将损失它们的FUNDS值,因为这将表明您的结果消耗了这些资金。但是,如果您不这样做,他们可能会认为他们仍然有您的资金。

// If someone tranfers 100$ to me (by clicking Transfer button in one of my projects), does it mean they get my HUR credits?

Yes, their "FUNDS" amount increases by that much (10 blue "funds" by current exchange rate). For the user who transfers you funds, it indicates that they had given that much, and those funds are still available to the users whom they had given them. However, if you, the recipient of funds, would suddenly write a result (+[result]), with say, 50$ costs, and then chose that this result's costs are compensated by the mentioned transfer of funds, then, they would lose their FUNDS value, because that would indicate the consumption of those funds for your result. However, if you don't do that, they might think that they still have their funds with you.


如果有人向我转账100美元(通过单击我的一个项目中的“转账”按钮),这是否意味着他们获得了我的HUR学分?那么15个积分会显示在他们的个人资料上?

If someone tranfers 100$ to me (by clicking Transfer button in one of my projects), does it mean they get my HUR credits? So 15 credits appear on their profile?


[Ruta],是的,确实如此,事实上,转移购买会影响分类帐和您的信用余额。 :)虽然这看起来很复杂,但是无论何时我们进行购买,我们都可以选择付款方式,并且可以将另一笔转账作为付款。其他转移必须存在于某个项目(例如,制造产品的公司的项目)下才能选择它。因此,在当前阶段,这种购买方式尚未针对用户体验进行优化。尽管在当前阶段不是优先考虑的事情(我们拥有其他目前正在大量使用的功能,例如项目和想法),但在以后的阶段它将变得很重要。

//微交易的问题是费用。 //

哦,是的。您是否听说过比特币发明人的Mercatoria?他目前正在通过我所了解的结构(“感应共识树协议(ICTP)”)来实现这种便宜,从而实现大规模的分布式共识和计算。它实现了高吞吐率,〜0.0002美元的交易成本和高安全性,同时保留了隐私。”

它引入了一种称为“归纳共识树”的东西。“该设计分散了验证,放样和存储的功能,并每秒支持数千万个事务,并且随着全球带宽的增长,容量也随之增加。” -值得研究。

[Ruta], yes, true, in fact, the purchase for transfer affects ledger and your credit balance. :) While this may look complex, whenever we do a purchase, we can choose how to pay, and can match up another transfer as payment. That other transfer must exist under some project (for example, the project of the company that makes the product) to be able to select it. So, buying something this way, at current stage, is not yet optimized for user experience. While not a priority at this stage (we have other features that are much more used currently, like projects and ideas), but it will become important in later stages.

// A problem with microtransactions is fees. //

Oh yes. Had you heard of Mercatoria by the inventor of Bitcoin? He's currently working on making that cheap, through, what I understand, a structure, -"Inductive Consensus Tree Protocol (ICTP) - for distributed consensus and computation at scale. It achieves high throughput, ∼ $0.0002 transaction costs, and high security while preserving privacy."

It introduces something called "inductive consensus tree" ... "The design decentralizes verification, staking, and storage, and supports tens of millions of transactions per second, with capacity increasing as global bandwidth grows." -- worth looking into it.


您一次可以进行100英镑的交易。并且吃掉3%的存款或取款费用。

You could do transactions of £100 at a time. And eat the 3% fee on deposit or withdrawal.


微交易的问题是费用。

如果您要进行金钱交易,则处理一笔交易会花费大量金钱。

A problem with microtransactions is fees.

It costs a lot of money to handle a transaction if you're doing business transactions of money.


我只是用积分购买了其中一种产品。那意味着,在我的余额中,我应该看到我已经花了一些积分吗?

I just used my credits to buy one of the products. That means, in my balance, I should see that some credits I already spend?


欢迎[justinmiyamoto]!

哦,我也有疑问要添加到此线程。我将HURS视为“每个人都宣布他们在项目上花费的时间,无论是作家还是工程师,这样所有工作都是平等的”。 [敏迪],您对此有何看法?

但是,为像我这样的创作者宣告工作时间有什么价值呢?有人可以参加0oo并直接投资我的项目,以便我不去Kickstarter吗?这对我现在与我的图书项目有关。

另外,投资者的主要动机是什么?他们为什么要来0oo投资?真的是一项投资或更像是一笔捐款吗?

现在交易期间会发生什么?钱会以某种方式存入我的银行吗?

进行交易时,损益表会怎样?

好了,问一个问题是澄清的第一步:)感谢您听我的问题!

Welcome [justinmiyamoto]!

Oh, I have questions too to add to this thread. I see HURS as "everyone declares time they spend on projects, no matter if it was a writer or an engineer, and this way all work is equal". [Mindey], what do you think about that?

But then, what is the value of declaring hours for a creator like me? Can someone come on 0oo and invest into my project directly, so that I don't go to Kickstarter? This is relevant for me now for my book project.

Also, what's the key motivator for investors? Why would they come to 0oo to invest? And is it really an investment or more like a donation?

And what happens during the transaction now? Does money go to my bank somehow?

And what happens with P&L when transaction is made?

Well, asking a question is the first step to clarity :) Thank you for listening to my questions!


很高兴听到这个消息,[justinmiyamoto],希望您觉得这个地方很有趣。实际上,我们正在认真考虑这些经济和金钱问题。确切的定义实际上位于rates页面的底部,您可以通过download我们的数据库。 ;)在继续探索的过程中,如果有什么想法可以随时提出问题〜^ __ ^

Great to hear that, [justinmiyamoto], and I hope you find this place fun to be. We are actually seriously thinking about these problems of economy and money. The precise definition actually is at the bottom of the rates page, and you can the historical fluctuation of all currencies as measured in HUR by downloading our database. ;) Feel free to ask questions if something comes up on mind as you continue to explore~ ^__^


哇,谢谢您对Mindey的评论如此详尽。说得通!我对0oo的潜力感到非常兴奋。我考虑这些问题已经很长时间了,我很高兴有人正在努力解决这些问题。很高兴在这里尝试我的一些项目。

Wow, thank you for commenting so thoroughly Mindey. Makes sense! I'm very excited about the potential of 0oo. I've been thinking about these problems for a long time and I'm so glad someone is working on it. Excited to try some of my projects on here.



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justinmiyamoto,
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嘿[justinmiyamoto],首先,欢迎来到0oo :)

//例如,如果我为某人工作1个小时,则该工作人员应向我收取1HUR。

您的作品可以公开发表或提到全世界吗?如果是这样,那么这个地方适合您。然后,您在此处仅将HUR用作“度量单位” **。例如,如果您的生产或服务成本为50 $,则可以在相关项目下使用“ + [结果]”按钮,并输入50 $ / HUR= 4.95 HUR在您声明的工作结果下(或只写50 USD,我们的系统将评估等值的HUR)。请注意,HUR并非分发或交易的东西,它是我们出于参考目的显示的价值单位,而不是货币。

此外,如果有人为您支付了费用,并且可以发布有关付款事实的信息,则他们可以使用“ + [转帐]”按钮在项目下注册该事实,然后进行注册。付款可以使工作结果匹配,以便将其抵消(例如,如果付款为60 $,则总分类帐值最终将为10 $),这样就产生了供公众查看的分类帐。

在项目下创建作品和交易分类账的活动所产生的结果是信息性的,并显示为用户名上方的社区信用和资金。一旦我们在社区中有更多的项目生产实际产品,我们就在考虑将这种社区信用作为一种货币形式,用于(至少部分)支付您可以在[市场部分]购买的东西(https:// /0oo.li/i0)。

//另外,如果我所做的工作对像婴儿一样工作的人没有好处怎么办?

您可以通过在此处公开注册所做的任何事情来声明小时数,这将增加您对该社区的“信用评分”。

我希望这种解释是可以理解的。这对您有意义吗?您可以随时以[0oo.li/rate](https://0oo.li/rate)观察HUR的波动值。

Hey [justinmiyamoto], first of all, welcome to the 0oo :)

// For example, if I work for someone for 1 hour, I should be paid 1HUR by the person I worked for.

Was your work okay to be published or mentioned for the world to see? If that is so, this place is for you. Then, you use HUR here only as a unit of measure. For example, if your production or service COST was 50$, you would use the button "+[result]" under a project in question, and write 50$ / HUR = 4.95 HUR under the work result that you declared (or just write 50 USD, and our system will evaluate the HUR equivalent). Note that HUR is not something that is distributed or traded -- it is a unit of value that we show for information purposes, not a currency.

Further, if someone paid you for your costs, and they are okay to publish information about the fact of payment, they can register that fact under project with "+[transfer]" button, and register it. Payment can have the work results matched up, so that they cancel out (for example, if the payment was of 60$, the total ledger value would be 10$ in the end), this way, producing a ledger for the public to see.

What comes out of this activity of creating ledgers of works and transactions under project, is informational, and displayed as community credit and funds above your username. Once we have more projects in the community producing real products, we are considering that this community credit will be useful as a form of currency to make (at least partial) payments for things you can buy on our market section.

// Also, what if I do work that doesn't benefit someone who works like a baby?

You can declare hours by registering expenses for whatever you did, in public here, and that will add in to your "credit score" on this community.

I hope this explanation is understandable. Does it make sense to you? You can always take a look at fluctuating value of HUR at 0oo.li/rate.


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