Ecosystem of Organizations

How can we spark a Ecosystem of organizations?

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The type of orgs involved in that Ecosystem can be non-profit, environmental, social awareness, among others for planetary systems wellbweing.


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这个谜题与分形在社会中的应用原型系统有关

This puzzle relates to Application of Fractals in Society , Prototyping Systems and Templating Micro Communities, the main point of which is - interactions between members create a (eco)system.

Here I wonder if a minimum number of ecosystem members matters? We can drive inspiration from tetrahedrons and how they construct with one another into larger stable structures.


会做。我真的很期待有一些切实的东西可以展示。 Iv 一开始就问这些问题。它真的击中了家。这些讨论非常有价值。我很实用,不过。我想构建解决方案,定义一些可衡量的、可交付的、可行的。

Will do. Im really looking forward having something tangeable to show. Iv started by asking exactly these questions. It really hits home. These discussions are extremely valuable. Im very practical, tho. I wanna build the solutions, define something measurable, deliverable, doable.



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skihappy,

[jspoet] 分享您的项目更新永远不会太早。我在 o2oo.io 上的大多数项目中分享了我的早期草稿 - 因为我根据反馈进行迭代 :) 希望尽快看到您的项目更新!

实际上,通过在我们的项目中共享中间结果 - 这就是我们启动生态系统的方式!当我们的项目遇到挑战时 - 我们所有人都可以共同应对。

所以对于“组织的生态系统”这个问题,我要补充 - 一个生态系统需要促进成员(游戏)之间的互动。

[jspoet] it's never too early to share your project updates. I share my early drafts in most of my projects here on o2oo.io - because I iterate based on feedback :) hope to see your project updates soon!

and actually, by sharing intermediary results in our projects - that's how we start an ecosystem! when our projects have challenges - all of us together can tackle them.

so to this question of "Ecosystem of Organisations" I'd add - an ecosystem needs to facilitate interaction between members (games).


当我们设计组织的生态系统时,我们可以从非线性网络和生态学中学到什么?

What can we learn from non-linear networks and ecology when we design ecosystems of organisations?



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Ruta,
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// 我喜欢其他人在这方面进行合作 //

[jspoet],非常期待您的 API 文档和概念描述,当您谈论您的项目时,很高兴就您的项目主题进行讨论。 ;) 而不是一般的“组织生态系统”主题。但是,很高兴您分享了您希望组织生态系统采用的通用方向。

// Id love for others to collaborate on that //

[jspoet], definitely looking forward to your API docs, and the description of the concept, as you're talking about your project, it would be nice to have that discussion on the topic about your project. ;) rather than generic "Ecosystem of Organizations" topic. However, it's great that you're sharing the generic directions you'd like ecosystems of organizations to go to.



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Mindey,

希望它成为kostya 项目solarea 的一部分。因此,基础设施已经部分存在。也许,我应该开始我自己的线程。简直无法抗拒。当有更多要展示的时候,我会写一篇文章。

Itll, hopefully, be part of kostya project, solarea. So, infrastructure already partially there. Perhaps, i shouldv started my own thread on it. Just could not resist. I will def do a write up when theres more to show.



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jspoet,

经过测试后,很快就会有 api 文档。但它的力量将随着屏幕、用户界面的发展而实现。我喜欢其他人在这方面进行合作

Ill have api docs soon, after its tested. But its power will be realized with development of screens, user interface. Id love for others to collaborate on that



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jspoet,

这个线程是作为一个问题开始的。这就是我对这个主题的想法。我很灵活。无意拥抱这个节目,但这个主题确实与我的作品产生了共鸣。我给一个预览。我只能希望它会有用。需要很多人才能充分发挥它的潜力,可能是比我更聪明的人。

The thred was started as a question. Thats my thoughts on the subject. Im very flexible. Dont mean to hug the show, but the subject really resonates with my work. Im giving a preview. I only can hope itll be something of use. Itll take lots of people to bring it to full potential, prbly people smarter then me.



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jspoet,

没错,它还没准备好。这是我正在传递的愿景。我想了一段时间。它的某些方面正在实施。但是,我希望其他人能接受它,我们可以一起开发实施。我不想成为驱动力。但我想分享我的想法。仅此而已。我慢慢地朝着那个方向努力。

Exactly, its not ready. This is a vision im passing. Iv been thinking about it for a while. Some aspects of it are being implemented. But, i hope others will pick it up and we can develop implementation together. I dont wanna come off as the driving force. But i wanna share my thoughts. Thats all. Im slowly working my way in that direction.



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skihappy,

这就是为什么我们需要土地来建设我们的文化。我看到积极地将积累的优势和财富传播到新兴社区,在那里一个成熟的社区被授予一个发展中的社区,从而分散了风险。发展中的关系和信任将转化为货币兑换率

Thats why we need land, to build our culture. I see actively spreading accumulated upside, wealth to budding communities, where an established community gets vested into a developing community, spreading the risk. The developing relationships and trust will translate to rate of currency exchange



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skihappy,

[skihappy] -- 据我所知,[malü] 在这里写了这个主题,并希望将其作为一个社区,所以,这就是为什么有 o2oo.io/.malü 如果您对这样的生态系统有什么了解,也许最好提供有关它如何工作的广泛描述?... 或者,“logicEngine”还没有准备好吗?

[skihappy] -- as I understand, [malü] wrote this topic here, and wants to have it as a community, and so, that's why there's o2oo.io/.malü, and meanwhile you, are talking on this thread about it as if the ecosystem were to be your idea, and you've got plans for it. Is there a backstory of this thread? Are you collaborating with [malü] on something? :) If you've got a picture of what such ecosystem would be, perhaps it would be good to provide an extensive descrition of how it would work?... or, is the "logicEngine" not yet ready for that?


让我这样说。我不知道所有这些标签是什么意思。我处理结构。有一种特定类型的自由结构,可以用自由度来衡量。正如我所见,我可以编写一个测量仪,在量子系统中测量它。它的结构在节点功能上有很多重叠,允许可塑性。自由度是多少?这是动态的,应该由社区同意来衡量和调整。我们所需要的只是提供这些工具,用于测量和调整、仪表和刻度盘。几行代码,以及社区仪表板的一些反应组件。

Let me put this way. I dont know what all those labels mean. I deal with structure. Theres a specific type of structure of freedom, measurable as degrees of freedom. I can write a gauge that measires it in a quantum system, as i see it. Its structure with lots of overlap in node functionalities, allowing plasticity. How much degrees of freedom? That is dynamic, and should be measured and adjusted by community consent. All we need is to provide those tools, to measire and to adjust, gauges and dials. Few lines of code, and a few react components for community dashboard.


任何组织、国家或当地俱乐部。我把它留给人们去创造他们需要的东西,但种子类型将面向具有大量自由度、流动性、开放性、大量制衡的结构。然后,这些品质将通过公共标准公开观察,因此人们可以选择使用哪种组织类型。我认为我们可以就此放手,它会自我组织成自由的结构。我设想的设备和典型的反馈循环将使社区保持平衡。太多的自由也不是那么好。关键是要让社区团结在一起,永远改变,防止它冻结成一个坚实的压迫性晶体,但又不会太气化,它只是通过消耗而产生,通过广泛参与进行调节,在地方层面,以一种简单直观的方式。不是通过对某些远程办公室进行极其复杂和容易出错的选举,而是通过本地的、有机的、即时的。小的连续的、民主的决策过程,通过结构的每一层,分形传播。关键是,每一层和分支都是自我决定和自我意识的,自给自足,但与邻居失去联系。联系能走多远是调整的问题,形成观点。

Any org, a country or a local club. I leave it to folks to create what they need, but the seed types will be geared towards structure with lots of degrees of freedom, fluid, open, lots of checks and balances. Then, these qualities will be publically observable thru public gauges, so people can chose what kind of org type to use. I think we can let it go at that, and itll self organize into structure of freedom. I envision devices and typified feedback loops that will keep communities in ballance. Too much freedom is not all that good either. The point is to keep community together, forever changing tho, keep it from freezing into a solid oppressive crystal but not too gaseous where it simply evoporates thru attrition, regulated thru wide participation, on local level, in a simple intuitive way. Not thru horrandously complex and fallable elections to some remote offices, but lical, organic, immidiate. Small continuous , democratic decision making process, spread thru each level of structure, fractal.the key is, each level and branch is self determined and self aware, self suffocient, but losely connected to neighbours. How far connections go is matter of adjustments, forming perspective.



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skihappy,

对于任何一群人来说,经常聚会最重要的是 - 空间(他们在哪里见面)和游戏(他们一起做什么)。

For any group of people to gather often what matters is - space (where do they meet) and games (what do they do together).



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Ruta,
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澄清一下,我在谈论社区模块生态系统,nfts,形成自己的经济系统。组织是通过组合生态系统中的其他类型的组织来构建的。它从非常基本的构建块开始,即基础。它的愿景。但随着我们构建它,它变得越来越清晰。完成并测试后,我将推出逻辑引擎。那就是组合的核心,逻辑系统,或者分类系统。然而你更喜欢。将会有一个低代码开发系统。任何人都可以创建自定义 dao。而且,它应该与区块链无关,任何 bc 都可以。需要社区努力来创建驱动程序,但是生态系统 csn 会分布在许多 bc 实现中

To clarify, im talking about an ecosystem of community modules, nfts, forming an economic system of its own. Orgs are constructed by composing other types of orgs in the ecosystem. It starts with very basic building blocks, the fundamentals. Its a vision. But its getting more clear as we are building it. Ill roll out the logic engine when its finished and tested. Thats the core of composition, the logic system, or classification system. However you prefer. There will be a low code development system. Anyone can whip out a custom dao. And, it should be blockchain agnostic, any bc will do. Itll take community effort to create drivers, but then ecosystem csn be spread over a number of bc implementations



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skihappy,

“组织”是指“公益组织”吗?社会学中组织的概念相当广泛,它包括从家庭到国家,以及介于两者之间和之外的一切(任何一组交流互动和协作代理)。

顽固的资本家会告诉你,资本主义是关于一个组织生态系统的,这是正确的。因此,我认为应该更具体地说明标题,更具体地说明这将是什么样的生态系统。

我的猜测是,您可能是关于相互支持和相互了解的非营利组织和公益组织,但是,正如第一段所述,“组织”的定义很宽泛。

And by "organizations", you mean "public benefit organizations"? The concept of organization in sociology is quite wide, and it includes from families to countries, and everything in between and beyond (any set of communicating interacting and collaborating agents).

A die-hard capitalist would tell you, that the capitalism is about an ecosystem of organizations, and be correct about it. So, I think it merits to be more specific about title, and more specific about what kind of ecosystem would that be.

My guess is that you're probably about mutually supportive and mutually aware non-profits and public benefit organizations, but, as said in the first paragraph "organization" has a broad definition.


非营利组织很好,但不应该限制组织的组织方式。然而,组织结构是公开展示的,有各种可衡量的、可用的衡量标准,仅供查看。所以,如果它制造炸弹,它就会广为人知。然后,有付费传感器检查这些仪表的质量和真实性,以及组织建设中使用的基础知识。那些是开源代码,简单的功能。我喜欢称他们为诗人,而不是传感器。他们检查功能匹配名称。然后,可以通过自动生成的描述来判断组织。

Non profits are fine, but how the org is organized should not be constrained. However, the org structure is on public display, with all kinds of measurables, gauges available, for just looking. So, if it builds bombs, itll be well known. Then, there are paid sensors that check the quality and trueness of those gauges, and fundamentals used in org construction. Those are open source code, simple functions. Id like to call them poets, not sensors. They check for functionality matching names. Then, an org can be judged by auto generated descriptions.



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